Comments on: Why Is Xenon Flash Missing on Nokia N97?

By: electrolysis hair

electrolysis hair — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:42:03 +0000

Thanks for the hint, I was looking for sth. like that for months

By: John Young

John Young — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:47:02 +0000

The Xenon flash on the N82 also triggers a slave flash, which dramatically extends it's range. Try the Vivitar DF-120 on setting 2. It's a third the size of the N82 itself, and fits easily in your pocket. An LED flash can't work with a slave unit.

I've had my N82 for 15 months, and I'm going to write a web article on it, with a part on “must-have” pocket accessories to make it an all-around multimedia center in your pocket. I've dropped my N82 about 20 times and I've never damaged the flash, but I recently broke the LCD. I wasted $10 on an aftermarket LCD before buying a real Nokia one for $40.

By: John Young

John Young — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:47:02 +0000

By: Ray

Ray — Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:04:59 +0000

Taymoor, you were probably referring to N86 who has more superior camera than N85. N85 camera and photo-taking capability is lousy. N86 is, yes, much better but it would have been best if it had Xe flash instead of the inferior LED, despite being dual LED. Yes, dual LED has improved on its light output performance but it drew so much current and the motion-freezing capability is just too far off to compare with xenon. IMHO, the superiority of N86 camera plus software capability cover up the dual LED flash capability. I'm excited to see the upcoming Xe-flash-based phones Nokia is going to launch next year.

By: Dr. Taymoor

Dr. Taymoor — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:44:34 +0000

but i would like to draw your heed towards the nokia N 85's camera LED, if you can compare it's almost the same like xenon flash you will have to think 5 times before differentiating it with the Nokia N 82's xenon flash…

By: Dr. Taymoor

Dr. Taymoor — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:44:34 +0000

By: FK

FK — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:34:27 +0000

There are several technical flaws in your analysis :
1. LED will never be able to offer the strobe effect that Xe flash gives.
2. Supercapacitor is still very expensive at a about USD2 each. The N97 and other dual LED phones I believe do not use supercapacitor.
3. The Xe flash module in N82 and 6220C can withstand more than 300 drops and are compliant to European safety standards. In fact you can flash it in a cup of coffee.
4. You will need a mech shutter anyway with dual LED to be able to capture good quality photos.

As device/gadget convergence takes place, more mobile phones will move and adopt Xe flash. Note that there's NONE digital camera ever use LED as their flash.

By: peterspiteri

peterspiteri — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:49:52 +0000

HEY GUYS IM A TECH FREEK AND I LIKE TO DO THINGS LIKE PLAYING MY ONLINE FLASH BROWSER GAMES ON MY PHONE, BUT I NEEDED TO KNOW IF THE ALL NEW N97 COULD HANDLE FLASH 8 – 10, SO I COULD START PLAYING GAMES LIKE HTTP://PAYPETE.EVONY.COM THIS IS ALL I WANTED THE PHONE FOR AND WOULD HAPPILY SPENT THE MONEY ON IT JUST FOR THIS GAME, CONSIDERING IM THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT SPENDS ABOUT £400 EVERY 3 – 6 MONTHS ON A ONLNINE GAME I THINK I COULD SPEND ON THIS LOL. STILL I WANT TO GET THE N97 ON THE 3 NETWORK AND WITH FLASH COMPATABILITY, IF ANYONE CAN LET ME KNOW I WOULD BE GREATFUL. EVONYJUSTICE@YAHOO.COM CHEERS GUYS

By: yoshiiiw

yoshiiiw — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:16:14 +0000

question: what should i upgrade to from a nokia n82?

answer: sony ericsson satio (was known as Idou)

im sorry nokia, im a major nokia devout, but if u dont show me a viable upgrade path to another xenon flash symbian phone before this is released...

you can count me out of waiting till u guys realised xenon was the W2G...

By: yoshiiiw

yoshiiiw — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:12:05 +0000

yea been pullin my hair out on this issue... pain in the a** i tel you..

being a devout nokia fan, im sad to announce that if nokia doesnt get its act together an atleast show us a HOPE of a xenon flash camera phone upgrade path, then my money is going to sony cus theres a veeeeery tempting phone coming up this quarter an im not gonna stick around with a 5 meg "WAS" wen theres a "12meg" NOW in the market...

sorry nokia... but i suggest everyone whos in the same dilemma look at the sony ericsson Satio (was known as the Idou).

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/so...

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By: Hanzolo

Hanzolo — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:00:22 +0000

I like to thank you for your post and totally aggree with you.
I miss the Xenon-flashes in the new Nokia phones. I got one in my N82 and don't want to miss it anymore. The picture quality in slightly darker camera situations is so much better thanks to Xenon.

By: Firechaos

Firechaos — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:12:29 +0000

Xenon flash maybe good but not as practical as Dual LED flash…
Xenon flash requires charging for sometime which takes a few sec…
But Dual LED do not. Xenon flash requires longer time to take a pic but Dual LED do not nid to take so long. Dual LED can used in all camera modes including video but Xenon only in 1 mode which is the photo mode.

By: Emperor

Emperor — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 05:27:17 +0000

Yes led is handy but what is the use of it? cant capture a clear video nor a clear photo.
Having led flash will surely make the 5MP camera useless in the dark. again even after having 5MP it will be just as a VGA cam in the dark.
I suggest at least have one working perfect than having both dumb….

By: Emperor

Emperor — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 05:27:00 +0000

By: Mark Guim

Mark Guim — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:40:22 +0000

@Paul, I agree the LEDs do come in handy for video.

By: Mark Guim

Mark Guim — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:40:00 +0000

@Paul, I agree the LEDs do come in handy for video.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:14:46 +0000

I’d prefer to have XENON instead of LEDs but now in the age of 16:9 youtube many people will generally do a-lot more filming so those LEDs will come in handy.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:14:00 +0000

I’d prefer to have XENON instead of LEDs but now in the age of 16:9 youtube many people will generally do a-lot more filming so those LEDs will come in handy.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:14:00 +0000

I’d prefer to have XENON instead of LEDs but now in the age of 16:9 youtube many people will generally do a-lot more filming so those LEDs will come in handy.

By: Smoochy

Smoochy — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:07:00 +0000

My N82 takes wonderful photos. I had all SE cameraphones until this one. K700 and K750i both had LED. The 700′s camera sucked. The K750i was truly amazing. Autofocus and the LED gave some great photos though the best ones were closeups with the LED on. (And I miss the flashlight feature so much).

With that said, I have a K810i that takes average shots but has a Xenon which helps. The N82 obviously blows it away.

I will NOT buy another phone without Xenon. I use my device for 1) phone, 2) messaging, 3) camera. The camera photo quality is too important to me to be giving up something like Xenon. Hope Nokia figures this problem out. It seems they are making very little progress at all.

By: Smoochy

Smoochy — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:07:00 +0000

With that said, I have a K810i that takes average shots but has a Xenon which helps. The N82 obviously blows it away.

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:52:46 +0000

Thanks for the informative article but i myself am totally gutted about the lack of a xenon flash…
i have our beloved N82 and for ages i been waiting for my next nokia to buy and i can see mysef skipping the N97 purely because of the lack of a decent flash like i have all phones since the N82…
and this is purely because i dont use a camera as the photos the N82 takes are good enough but i take a lot fo my shoots at night and in clubs and os on and until nokia come up with a xenon flahs phone i doubt ill buy another nokia and will have to begin looking elsewhere

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:52:00 +0000

By: andreah

andreah — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:00:00 +0000

Nice job, i’ve learned a lot! thanks

By: andreah

andreah — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:00:00 +0000

Nice job, i’ve learned a lot! thanks

By: techuser99

techuser99 — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:17:30 +0000

Great post. So insightful as far as the HW and technical reasons for Dual LED. I was using the N82, and was gifted an N85, and loved all the software tweaks that made the S60v3 more friendly. I liked everything, except when I started taking pictures. Each one was blurry and off colour. I thought there was something wrong, and found that the Firmware upgrade improves picture quality. So i upgraded .. and took more pics, but nothing compared to the N82 pics.
So I got rid of the N85 … the quockest I could. For someone who has not used an N82 the N85 is absolutely great … but I was spoiled by the N82.

The only phone I feel is worth changing to right now is the SonyEricsson C905. I used to own the k790 (EDGE version of K800) and the pictures were amazing. And now that SE support Exchange ActiveSync I can really move over.

Thanks again for the post.

By: techuser99

techuser99 — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:17:00 +0000

Thanks again for the post.

By: stilusmen

stilusmen — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:36:15 +0000

great work! snx

By: stilusmen

stilusmen — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:36:00 +0000

great work! snx