Are You Ditching Nokia for Android?

Plenty of high-end Android devices have already been released this year and more are on their way. The Motorola Droid X and variations of the Samsung Galaxy S will be available in the US in just a few days. The next big thing from Nokia, the Nokia N8, is expected any day now until September 30th. How are current Nokia users feeling? Are you ditching Nokia for Android?

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  1. I Love Nokia Forever!

  2. I ditched Nokia for Android last year after owning the N97 for 6 months. That phone sealed the deal for me with Nokia. I decided to move on because I was tired of Nokia's constant lack of innovation and ability to move forward to compete more aggressive with other operating systems.

    I was a former loyal Nokia fanboy. All my cell phones prior to Android have all been Nokia – 6 phones to be exact. Marc, I admire your loyalty with Nokia.

    There's nothing I miss about Nokia after using 3 different Android phones. The only thing I miss a bit is the top of the line camera and video capture. My Nexus One is doing okay in that department though.

    Face it, Nokia's dying. Time to jump ship!

  3. Nokia is just not keeping up… We barely saw Maemo then a coming soon MeeGo, but nothing WOW! As for Symbian3 looks like a sucker OS, people will go for then be dissapointed.

  4. Yes i ditched symbian not nokia. Never liked running out of memory, slow response times and regular rebbots. Maemo is awesome. All you symbian die hards should switch to maemo/meego

  5. http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/why...

  6. Symbian is falling…
    http://blogs.gartner.com/nick_jones/2010/07/11/...

  7. I'm doing double duty. I have my n97 and an android phone. Neither of them have all the features in one device that i'm looking phone hence why i carry both of them.

  8. masochist

  9. I'm waiting for the N8 personally. But Android's really reaaally tempting.

  10. Well, I'm certainly not going for a Symbian based device, but I also do not like the way Android is 'managed'. So I'll wait for a Meego device

  11. I have already switched to an android device, there are no nokia devices, at that time, that can compete with android, and waiting for the N8 is too much for me.

  12. Yes!!! I got a Nokia e72 and it's a great phone but in terms of apps it's letting me down terribly. I can't even buy paid apps. Don't know why Nokia won't let me spend money on apps. So screw it. I'm jumping ship.

  13. The choices for Android devices in my country are very limited, only G1 or Motorola Dext and both sucks, if Droid Incredible or something equivalent arrives, maybe. Nokia's devices seem amazing, N95 (was in fact amazing) but they arrive way to late in my country, or like N97 that ended being a disapointment (I actually liked my 5800)

  14. For me the desire to own has moved from the device perspective to the software on the device perspective.
    Being a tech follower, the targetted marketing on me is about the OSs. Its a race out there and unfortunately nokia is just falling back.
    BTW I am using a N900 now and crazyly, though I am 28 yrs of age, this is my first nokia ever.
    I always liked to run seperately from the pack and thats the main reason. Over the years I have used Alcatel, siemens, samsung, HTC and sony ericsson. But that is not to say that Nokia phones are bad. They were just too good for me, until I came across N900, which is really as bad as it gets in terms of commercial software

  15. I'm already 1/2 out the door as i use a Samsung i8910. When my contract was last up for renewal i picked the i8910 as it had the hardware that Nokia just couldn't match but still with Symbian which i was used to and enjoyed.

    Unfortunately Samsung then turned their backs on the i8910 and if it hadn't been for the rom cookers the OS would have stagnated and never met the potential of the hardware. And it is good hardware on the i8910, much better than any Nokia 5th edition product.

    I've used the N97 mini (Wife's) and the X6 (my own that i won). Apart from the great Nokia camera sensor, the i8910 blows the X6 away in ability and performance. I would say that the i8910 is much closer to the N8, but Samsung got it to market over a year before the N8 was even being leaked.

    And the N8 does seem to be a great peice of hardware, something that may turn Nokia's recent touch devices reputation around. Unfortunately it brings up the second, and larger problem, Nokia has run aground on. The OS.

    Nokia just seems lost on which way to go, OS wise. Is it going to be Symbian, Maemo, Meego? Which OS will the next phones have going forward? The path just seems to take different turns and twists every month. This makes wanting to pick Nokia very hard both for the users and (perhaps more importantly) for the app developers.

    Nokia's vagueness is widely reported in the press. The public read the press. Recent events in the tech blog world are making Nokia just seem to flounder. People believe what they read.

    But as i said, perhaps even more importantly, the developers aren't going to spend time building for an OS when Nokia can't appear to decide which OS they will be using. They'll build for ios4 and Android, OS'es with a stable, confident path and future. Nokia doesn't have that.

    So with an undecided OS, few apps being developed and, until the N8, sub par hardware, Nokia is not the way i want to go.

  16. I think I will stick to Nokia for basic phone duties. Internet and Email I need Android

  17. I have a N900 and a 5800XM and I've been following the evolution of Nokia for many years now. Almost all my phones since '96 have been nokias. Have to say that I am dissapointed at the ways things are turning. I might wait for the next Meego phone just to see what it is. I'm content with my N900 but dissaponted with “just” 350 apps. I know that most of the apps for iPhone and Android are “fartapps” but i just feels as everybody is making apps for iPhone and Android and not for maemo. Hope this changes with Meego. Kudos to Angry Birds for being available on the N900. What about symbian?

  18. Got a HTC Desire on queue for a 18 month contract. So now Nokia has 18 months so come up with a phone that feels like it belongs to this century. I have high hopes that MeeGo would be the turnaround for them.

  19. Bye bye N95 8GB…welcome HTC Desire.
    Android is the future ;)

  20. Have had very satisfying no-quibble service from Nokia care centres. This is worth something. My N82 has needed maybe 5 or less rebbots in the last 2 1/2 years. Don't really want a slab-phone. However, Nokia PC software moves like mud, and any Google software I've used has been faultless and fast. The Symbian OS just belongs to a different era, an era where just having a OS was considered enough,

  21. symbian-guru has left symbian already and I am also converting my nokia blog into an android and apple based blog. And yes, I am planning to buy an android phone.

  22. I already use an Android phone: Samsung Galaxy. It's unbelievable! It's wonderful with a lot of power, the screen is very responsive! I have a N900/N97 Mini and I really bored with Nokia and its old icons. When I turn on the N97 to use it, I turn it off again because its interface makes me sick. It's old, awful, it's a “vomit interface”.

  23. No option for 'trying out android, but planning on getting an N8 asap'

    Bums.

  24. Samsung Galaxy S :)

  25. I love my n900, but I wish I had the features and stability android has, maemo is a huge improvement over symbian, and meego will be a substantial improvement over maemo, I am sure, but android just makes sense, especially with the amount of development money that is being poured into it. Once android and maemo dualbooting on the n900 really works I will be a very happy person.

  26. go to http://www.nokiaforever.com

  27. Honestly, I've just seen the results of your poll, this is seriously worrying.

    I see three possible futures for Nokia:

    1) They make a comeback with MeeGo.

    2) They completely lose the pocket computer war and are left making cheap smartphones for developing markets and teenagers.

    3) They become a hardware + web services only company and get out of the phone OS market altogether offering Android and WP7 phones in the high end.

    As of July 2010 I would say that 2 is most likely, with 3 probably being their best option.

    It's pretty depressing really, it seems that Android is getting all the good will at the moment. We've got Guru's switching to Android, James Whatley using a Nexus One as his main phone… :(

  28. I really need to write up my “N78 to N97 to N78 to N900 to Nexus One to N900 to Nexus One and back again to the N900 where I'm staying” blog entry.

    My Con list (as the pros are obvious)

    N900 Cons:
    1. Severe lack of google integration : this includes calendars, multiple calendars, contacts, etc. Don't say use the Exchange connector – it sucks arse and ate one of my contacts phone numbers once.
    2. Questionable future support by Nokia/Maemo – though it looks like MeeGo will at least *run* on it when it's done.

    Nexus One Cons:
    1) Rather limited onboard storage and very slow microSDs for expansion – it's like punching yourself over and over when you go to sync 16GB … oh yeah, 12GB of music/video over to it.
    2) 2.2 and the combination of apps I install seem to have kept it in reboot-fest – I would walk up to it to make a call and see the startup screen running by… that sucks. I tried resetting it several times and it was always great sans apps, but with all of them it seemed to have issues. No matter what the reason, it was annoying and I'm back to the N900 full time where I'll stay for the duration (until the next amazing Nokia Maemo/MeeGo device :)

  29. Mark,

    You need to add the option…

    “Not yet. The next Nokia device i get is their last chance.”

    That's the boat I'm in.

  30. been a nokia fan for years until but can not defend it anymore
    well it does it all but fails on ui
    and web services compatibility
    ovi services are crappy IMHO
    when you get android, you get a google extension (location,mail,maps)
    when you by apple , you get all apple services (I'm not an apple fan though)
    in both cases, UI is super (apple) or good (android) and you get a bunch of apps
    most blog and forum provide nice UI to android and apple
    symbian just … well they do not care abt symbian
    when you get an expensive nokia you get … just the hardware (n8)
    UI is old and ugly
    basic things like per-folder photo view is still not implemented
    mp3 player never got enhanced through firmwares
    It was a hard choice (N95-1st,N95-8Gb,E90,I8910,5800) but as
    nowadays, it's not just abt what the phone can basically do
    there are available softs and web services
    Palm pre has a superbe UI but no apps -> failing also
    Nokia, it is so easy to browse the web and listen to what people are missing
    you do not need huge R&D budget, just browse forums, social medias
    and see yourself

    basically, nokia phones doe the job
    it's all about software , UI, available apps and web-services
    … IMHO …

  31. At least another point for this “hidden option” here…

  32. The Nokia N8 is the last chance for you? How about Meego later this year and Symbian^4 in 2011?

  33. Slept after publishing this post & saw the results this morning. I agree it's seriously worrying

  34. Same here…when T-Mobile released G1 I was afraid to leave my N95 but I really wanted 3G. Now almost two years later I still have G1 (sitting on the shelf rooted and hacked with Cyanogen's 2.1 android) and while I use N900, I can't say that I'm totally happy with it. The first slap in the face was “Gotcha, we sucked out $600 from you for N900 and guess what, that's it…we're not supporting it anymore”. Then there's the lack of software. It's true that there are “replacements” but while I like Bario Square for example, its functionality is very limited and the interface is well, like it's home cooked. If the port of Froyo on N900 will be developed further, this may be the way for me to go. I'm happy that I have a fully open linux computer in my hand but at the end of the day that computer needs some food to thrive and it's just not there. So now I'm eyeing HTC with slide out keyboard that was leaked a couple of weeks ago…this may be my next device. It will have 1 Ghz brain and a plenty of storage, plus will be thin and hackable too and I will know that there will be constant updates on it and if HTC will ditch it, there will be a community more involved than Maemo / MeeGo. Having said that, I'm still waiting for MeeGo commercial release to pop up on N900 but that will require an immediate support from the developers and Nokia / Intel push to get the developers going. I want Facebook, Tweeter, Foursquare, Sling player among others that I can have fun with.

  35. This month I'm transitioning from a Nokia N81 (that's 2 and a half years old) to an HTC Desire. I'm quite happy with the purchase, and I think it's well spent money, but I truly wish (and it's a wish, not a guess) that MeeGo improves the situation and Nokia becomes a serious competitor on the high end.

    I'm strongly convinced on the merits of free/open source software, and here, the true path is Nokia right now. They are not building everything from scratch (like Android) and avoiding some good licensing choices (like Google). They are truly working in an open manner (see how Qt or MeeGo are developed, with public repositories and bug tracking systems) and WITH the community of third parties and individuals.

    Also, I really think that Qt is an extremely good product, the best I have worked with, and it's a pretty compelling reason to boost the number of third party software on their phones.

    If the N900 had a capacitive touchscreen (important for me), and much more included applications in portrait mode (ideally, all), I will be using it right now as my main phone, though.

    Instead I'm trying something really new, after so many years of using Nokia devices, because Android is really different. In some aspects, my HTC is obviouslly better, but believe me, it still sucks on pretty basic stuff for a phone, like the FM radio (agin, pretty important for me), or the SMS software. They games are much better, of course. :)

  36. it was a horrible experience waiting for a phone from nokia.
    From rumours with high expectations to leaks of the N8, then finally it was launched, with killer features yet still many to complain about(processor, last N-series phone with Symbian^3…) and now still months to wait for. Notably during this arduous period, the iPhone was launched and soon released, the Samsung Galaxy S was launched and soon released, just to name a few. How can anyone not be tempted to take a closer look at Android and Apple?

  37. I am surprised that so many people are disappointed by the n900. I think it is a great piece of hardware. Especially after overclocking easily tok 900 – 1000 mhz. The touchscreen though resistive is butter smooth. I agree there are far fewer applications but nokia made the best move possible with qt and meego and we have to wait for the fruits. Other than the apps i think maemo is the best os in the current market. Iphone ui is so boring. I cant even see a picture of the iphone…. the same grid of app.ications without widgets, and android looks lackluster.All you symbian users just stop buying symbian and support meego. Dont buy the n8 it is surely a n97 beggiing to happen again. Nokia stop using symbian for the N series and just have only the best hardware for the N series.

  38. Bought N97 the first day it released here. You all know how it went.

    I got the samsung galaxy s 2 weeks back. Its such an awesome device. Dont think i will leave android in the near future.

    But I grew up on Nokia phones. Always wish it would come back strong. N900 looked so fab. dont know how things work inside Nokia but instead of working on hundreds of devices. they should create one super awesome smart phone and a lower level basic phone. 2 phones but extremely efficient.

  39. Im talking for this year. It won't be automatic Nokia for me anymore. I've been wanting to go Android for awhile so if the N8 fails me its gonna be Android. I can't look at 2011, too far. Of course I'll get my hands on a Meego device but I'm not confident the app market will grow fast enough.

  40. Will switch as soon as I can…but I am stuck with AT&T contract and it doesn't have good Android phones…

    Nokia is going nowhere with Symbian…at least not with crappy Ovi and UI…
    When I can get better phones right now why should I be waiting hoping that Nokia would bring better phones sometime in future (which I doubt will happen)…

    Again Nokia is big letdown in US…

  41. Went from E71 (great phone, still use as backup) to N900 (great phone, but Exchange support implementation blows, thus…) to Nexus One. I miss certain things about the N900, and the E71 battery life, but the total package on the Nexus One is so much better given my usage and preferences. Frankly, Nokia dropping Maemo and transitioning to Meego, and in particular the tie-up with Intel, who've NEVER been successful with software, signalled time to go for me. A few key pain points with the Nexus One but can't imagine going back unless Nokia delivers something awesome with Meego and the whole Qt strategy works and there's some developer momentum around the Meego platform.

  42. getting an android if the N8 is not out before end of july.. and not only has to be out but actually have a good browser and stuff (u know the thing they conveniently demo no where)

  43. http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2010/07/sym...
    You should too

  44. ive another interesting discussion:

    from the guys who switch to android, which device will you take?

    I like nokia's cameras and im looking for an android device that is near enough in term of picture quality.. this seems difficult (need macro, focus selection or hyperfocale, and decent sensor/lens, at least better than the N95)

  45. You need to realise that there is a huge selection bias in the poll results and it really doesn't reflect the greater general public.

    How so? Well, e.g. in the comments you see people say they've moved from Nokias to the Nexus One, which itself is a huge commercial failure and a marginal product (just like the commenters and voters are from a marginal population).

    Off-topic, but why Android makes no sense for Nokia:
    1. The US market. Nokia can't capture the US market without good operator relations, no matter what OS they have. The N1 failed because it wasn't subsidised.
    2. Moving to Android would make Nokia a zombie HW manufacturer, just like SE, Moto, etc.
    3. Android doesn't support Qt. Years of Qt development down the drain.
    4. Google would dictate how the OS goes forward and would make all the service money.
    5. Android requires high end HW for decent operation and doesn't scale to other platforms (tablets, netbooks). Symbian serves cheap HW and MeeGo the high-end.

    IMHO!

  46. Phone OS history the last ten years:
    Symbian
    WM 6.1
    WM 6.5
    OS 2.0
    OS 3.0
    Android
    Symbian

    I went back to Symbian (E51) because the iPad came out. As a basic communication OS (text, call, basic web, mobile hotspot – Joiku) it works well. Not pretty, not an adundance of “free” apps, but stable and works well on my phone. (No crashes so far)

    The overriding thing for me has always been to have a good mobile web experience and after the iPhone and also various 3.2-4″ Android phones, I've discovered I fit into that niche that wants a readable size (aka old) Right now iPad is the best option, but I'm hoping for a good 7″ alternative (Android?) to come out soon.

    I just wish Nokia would focus and 3-4 core phones and innovate like crazy. How can a company that big not have enough resources?

  47. I ditched my old N95 8 Gb for a Nexus one and I couldn't be happier.

    I have to give credit to the N95s hardware for being much older than the Nexus' and still comparable. But the user experience you get from the nexus just isnt comparable

  48. I would love to stay Nokia, the software on my N900 rocks…BUT…the platform is dead, I can't see all the nice options living through to Meego plus the platform is unfinished. Add that to the dated hardware design (too thick, dated looking) and I have taken the plung….sorry Nokia, I may come back, let's see.

  49. Bought an E72 last December to replace my E63. The E72 arrived buggy and unstable out of the box. Two firmware updates months later stabilized it to a point. Bought a Nexus One last month. What a difference. Everything just worked. Updated to FROYO last week OTA and the phone got even better. Unless Nokia can kick butt with MeeGo, I will never look back.

  50. Nokia are luring people into N8 trap ! Symbian^3 already birth dead !
    You want a GTD app for Symbian ? Wont have it
    You want a hp 12c calculator for Symbian ? Wont have it
    Augmented reality app ? Wont have it

    What they did in the last 2 years ? Destroyed Ngage community ! Crowded OVI with RSS feeds and called them user-made-apps . Sad.

    They released 2000 versions of 5800 . One without wifi, other without GPS , other without 3g , other with wifi but no 3g.An Endeless combos of 5800 features in others mobiles ? Whats that ? A joke ? The N97 ? Whats that ? A joke too ?

    Meanwhile Android is pushing hard …if things keep going this way Nokia will be threatened by Bada OS from Samsung !!!

  51. Well… I was tempted to get the N1 but my needs are simple: fring to videocall my buddies, a good Twitter client (gravity) and a virtual 3g-2-wifi app like joiku… so I better stay with my Nokia 5800 in the meantime the N8 gets released.

    Btw, I'm using a custom firmware and let me tell you my 5800 feels way better than a G1 with 2.1 cyanogen…

  52. No, I'm not switching to Android – but I'm very close! I think that the next iteration of Maemo/Meego will be almost the ideal smartphone platform (I say this as a linux user; it may not be true for other people!), and I am very much looking forward to the point where Nokia brings this OS to fruition.

    OTOH, I look at the advanced hardware that is coming to market from the many Android-using vendors, and wonder if the best platform on a single N-series device per year is going to be an acceptable choice for me… Perhaps I should just come to terms with Android's imperfections and forget the possibilities that Meego potentially offers.

    Also, I suspect the timing of the Meego merger is very unfortunate – it may well result in a better platform overall than Maemo could have delivered alone, but Nokia can hardly afford the delays and the inevitable cost to fit-and-polish that will result from this move. Hopefully the setback will be temporary, and the benefits will accrue rapidly.

  53. Vamsi,
    I'm not really disappointed with N900 as it is… what I am disappointed with is just what you said… the applications. Imagine getting Windows PC without ANYTHING on it…just the barebones (MS Paint, Outlook Express and the browser)…it would be pretty much useless. That's my feeling about N900. The developers are not doing anything. One example could be Have player…it was available on a less powerful N800/N810 and yet Monsoon decided not to port it to N900 which in my opinion is a HUGE fail. I am sure N900 user base is much larger than that of N800/810. I emailed them and their reply was that there are no plans to work on N900 version… MAYBE at the end of the year. No thank you… Same goes for other apps… Facebook etc…they're just not there.

  54. Seems more & more will not re-up on Nokia. 6months ago 46% surveyed would consider buying a Nokia for their next phone; today only 34% and dropping…
    http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/Mobile_Exec/Nokia_...

  55. I am planning to replace my N95-1 at the end of the year (keypad is completely worn off) after almost 4 years of use. I am going to wait for the N8 and the reports of the “early adopters”. Sounds like a rock-solid hardware with a great camera. BUT even if the user reports are positive there is this little kid within me that wants to play. And looking over the fence seeing that huge shiny adventure playground (Android market), while I am sitting in a 2 square meter dirty sandbox with plastic toys (OVI market) makes me really want to jump to the other side of the fence. Let's see how the situation is at the end of the year. If I switch to Android I would go for the Galaxy S with the Android 2.2 update.

  56. Other Option: I've already ditched Nokia (-after 10 year of servitude), and have gone to the Samsung Galaxy S (Android 2.1).
    Just had to. Nokia have forgotten how make a clean and simple interface
    The Galaxy S is just the dog danglies.
    I'm now locked into two year of joy.

  57. I have already moved out of the Nokia Family and have been adopted graciously and happy into the Android Clan, and it been a “Milestone” in my mobile life…

  58. I have Nokia e71. Very often, Calendar locks and refuses to accept any more entries with”system error” message. I have to do a full system reset. Nice work NOkia!!?

  59. no offence guys. This is like my 7-th nokia phone. Entierly in my family we had around 30 nokia's . In my companies i have only nokia phones also, that is around 50 at the moment.
    But right this month i decided to upgrade my phone and unfortunetly i decided to grab a Samsung Galaxy S …. Couldn't find something from nokia that is close to this.

    Really sorry guys . You should bring on the market ASAP a android device . I know you invested aloth in OVI , heck i even know most of the guys that are working on your phone sync software , because i used to work there . I beg you put an Android device on the market. for example N8

  60. I'm currently switching between the N900 and HTC desire. Using the latter more cos of the quicker response time and greater app availability. The N900 is amazingly and could be more but Nokia have undeservedly abandoned it. Until they are sure of their final OS to use, meego 1, symbian 3 or 4 or 5, I'm sticking with android for now. At least I know I won't need a new handset to use the latest OS version with major changes

  61. I will be ditching Nokia after a decade of phones if the N8 is not up to snuff. Their OVI store is sad but getting better. I played with a friend's Android phone and really will make the jump. I hope they get it right with the N8. It's quite worrying that this may or break Nokia.

    What scares me is their complete lack of dedication to one OS. No wonder no one is jumping to make apps. How may different OS's do they need to try to get it right? Developers are all over iOS4 and Android. If Nokia can barely get them on Symbian 3, then what shot do they possibly have at Symbian^4 or MeeGo?

  62. folks at Nokia !
    how f. desperate are you to post such a survey?
    You must be really scared. Where's your confidence?
    But most important. Where is Nokia?

  63. Well, i am in the category of busy searching for an android. I have used 6820, E70, E71, N97, N97 mini…. and many earlier versions of Nokia. I cant find myself any good reason to stay loyal to Nokia. I am bad but i hope to find happiness in Android like many others. That may include Symbian Guru.

    Nokia had its chance for 2-3 years since iPhone came out. We were all patience but Nokia blew it away. It is like a microsoft of handphones.

  64. Nokia didn't post this survey.

  65. The Nokia I had was the 5800. The main thing that pushed me to go to android was the lack of support from Nokia. It took more than a year to get the firmware update in north America while the rest of the world was already enjoying it. I waited but sorry one year is too long…I'm not going back. Android is better.

  66. You took my words! :) I feel the same!

    Shame on you Nokia! You disappointed me ;( :( ((

  67. HTC's EVO already completely won me over Nokia and iPhone!

  68. Yes, after being a Nokia guy for a decade, I will say that I am tired of the sloppy Symbian OS, tired of all the “Unable to” messages, tired of nearly every Symbian app either not working or working poorly, tired of memorizing the labyrinth of a menu to achieve simple things such as turning off or on Bluetooth, tired of not being able to use spiffy new apps that my friends can on their Android phones. Nokia can not even get half way close to where Android already is with Symbian. Sooner or later they will need to scrap Symbian.

  69. I've had the Evo for a month and I am loving it. I've been a 100% Nokia user since the 90s and my last Nokia phone was the N900. I really wanted it to be so much more useful for me. I was initially just going to try the Evo and ended up keeping it specifically because of the UI experience and connectivity to social networking as well as other useful applications. I will say though that Nokia still makes the best hardware. I miss the solid Nokia feel and especially the camera! The camera on the Evo is pretty disappointing. Sorry for sounding dramatic but it really broke my heart that I was leaving Nokia. I'm not going to insinuate what Nokia must do for their business but believe me, the moment they run Android I will go back in a heartbeat!

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